Thursday, August 15, 2013

Mark Driscoll tells MGTOW to "Step Up"

The above video is part of a series called "stepping up". It's contents amount to a bunch of modern Churchians of the Christian variety ruminating on the crisis that is young men refusing to "accept responsibility" and marry self serving divorce prone women.

Us MGTOW are an independent bunch, and as such I will say here that I do not care what God one does or doesn't worship, but messages like these, from sanctimonious "real man" religious zealots are classified as exactly what they are here, that is, an attempt to get men back on the plantation where they (the expendable workhorses that they are) belong. The following is a contribution by blood rabbit offering his analysis of this shame fest headed up by Whiteknight televangelist Mark Driscoll:


Adolescence is being extended as a natural result of modernity as well as the rise of life-expectancy. Adolescence itself is new on the scene of humanity. The concept literally did not exist until recently in human history. Not so long ago, a boy went immediately to the plow the same day he was strong enough to use one and on that day, he went from child to man. There was no concept of adolescence before industrialization and the rise of modernity. It's only natural that this artificial intermediary stage is being expanded, as the key word here is artificial.


Men can no longer safely rely on being told by some socital standard, "now you are a man", those times have past, and the days of the lingering facade numbered. The post-feminist man is a man when he himself is able to tell himself he is a man and believe it. He decides for himself. Before Medieval times, Barbarians, Greeks, Romans, it was chiefly elder men who dictated the rites of passage into manhood. During and after the Romance period women began dictating when a male became a man. This lead to a vision of manhood almost exclusively tailored to suit the needs to women. Men now have no other choice than to become self-deterministic in regards to their identity.


With the social changes in the most advanced developing nations, we can see our past unfolding at an accelerated rate. Take China, which up until recently was very conservative. There we find a popular song among women belonging to the new super-wealthy class, in which women sing about how their mothers told them to never marry a man without a car, a house, and money in the bank. They go on to say that they own a car, a house, and have money in the bank, and alert men to not attempt to be with them if you don't have the same -or preferably more- as they "aren't going to be your mother."


They don't see the problem with their logic. "I have everything I need, so I expect you to bring me more than I need." They deride men who they see as using them as their mothers, yet find it perfectly acceptable to have a daddy -- even though practically speaking they do not need one.






So what do these women want? They don't know as they're torn between their biology and modern reality. They want to be given provision by man, yet they already have all the provision they need without a man. They want a man who they see as superior to themselves, yet they see themselves so highly that no man can compete -in a provider sense- with themselves.


Why should men continue to provide to women who no longer need providers, especially since this is the main reason they have always been interested in us. However, in these women, their instinct to be provided for still exists despite having more provision than they need - with or without men. This instinct in women to be provided for once worked before the onset of modernity. The female was given provision, and in exchange she bore him children and cared for them and helped care for things while he was away when he needed to leave the cave to hunt, to fight, to build.


We are not going back, even if we wanted to (which I certainly do not) we couldn't. We can only move forward from here. To where? Where it will lead is not yet known, exactly.


But I digress...


These men speaking in this video are in denial. These men have no actual use in the way which they believe they do. It's an illusion propped up by their churches -in their case- and encouraged by women who enjoy the arrangement. For whatever reasons this seems most beneficial to them, as opposed to the more 'modern' woman mindset. These men are not needed. These men are 'playing man', and the women are 'playing pre-modern woman.'


The women in these mens lives do not need them, it is these men who need the women to shore up their false sense of utility, identity and purpose. We all know these women could leave them at any time and take half or more of everything the own and earn up until these men retire, and take their children along with them. These men live in fairly-tale castles. I think we all can agree the women in their lives are all too aware of this reality, these women know that their mens role is hollow.


So who is worse? The men opting out and doing so-called 'childish' things to give some semblance of happiness and fulfillment to their lives, or these self-deluded men who believe they are important as paper-husbands, paper-providers and paper-fathers? Further, why are the enjoyable hobbies of men attacked as childish? It is meant to shame men as those hobbies in no way benefit women. Women do a multitude of things to entertain themselves which men have seen as silly for ages yet they are not attacked for it.


Mark Driscoll begins early on attacking modern men for being "porn-heads." Why do we not ask why men are more and more preferring images over flesh and blood? That's pretty extreme, wouldn't you say, Mark? So what warrants it on the part of women? Said men prefer pornography as they either find women thoroughly unfulfilling, or comically overpriced. I think it's more than safe to say that most men would prefer to have flesh and blood women, so the fact that men are abstaining for porn truly says something.


But let us talk about the other aspect of which Driscoll speaks: "Men who just want good times." It's the same deal as the men trading women for porn, only these men are trying to cling to some semblance of what they'd naturally prefer. They do however still risk the damage of possibly having a child with the wrong woman, who constitute the majority of these women, they risk emotional damage, manipulation, as well as an inevitable sacrifice of dignity (you don't play the game, the game plays you).


Also, you these Driscoll types speak nothing of women shamelessly and unapologetically trolling for penis on craigslist and okcupid. Personally, I find that much more base than pornograhpy, and a great deal more disgusting. At least with porn you aren't debasing yourself on a personal and social level. I find this rather common passtime of women more degenerate than a man seeking prostitution, for that matter.


Speaking on that: I lived in Australia for a great many years of my adult life and had the opportunity of seeking out completely legal, and very affordable prostitution yet I did not. That was my personal decision, and I do not condemn prostitution; further I don't believe it should be illegal anywhere. It ought to be available to men who want it as it's natural, and the women involved in legal, regulated prostitution are far from victims. They live quite well in their chosen occupation (yes, I do see it as a valid and even valuable occupation). The point is, Mark, these men are no bigger perverts in general than women are in general. Often times men have higher moral standards, in my experiance.


We all understand --be we religious or non-religiouis- that porn is not an ideal thing, Mark. But we all have basic humans needs, and ours as men are not being satisfied by women.


Mark speaks of women supposedly rising to, and usurping the male role. Women are going to college and working more than men but tend to get junk degrees, or chase after degrees that only benefit themselves rather than help society as a whole. The overwhelming majority use their jobs and education to make money (for themselves) and then after they spend their own, go on to spend the money of the men in their lives, as well as the governments.


We often hear of the "Real Men ™", but seldom to never do we hear any notion of the "Real Women ™", reason being that there have always been fewer constructs in the west on what constitutes a woman. However, what few constructs existed have fallen away with modernity and we are seeing real women. The only way to see 'real men' is to, as man, remove our constructs as well. Any man who removes his traditional societal constructions and notions of manhood and thinks and behaves freely will truly find himself as a man. It might be so utterly different from his previous notions of who he is that he might run back to the Matrix. He might even be terrified finding himself thinking, feeling, and enjoying things which he himself once ridiculed.


Feminist 'intellectuals' believed that all gender differences were artificial constructs, and if you took the constructs away men and women would be the same.


With this little experiment, the opposite was proven. Remove traditionalist gender constructs, and we all become base men and women. That is, real men and women. What is 'real' in the essence of sex and/or gender is what exists when you strip away the constructs designed to keep natural instincts in check as well as reengineer them to create a certain societal order which varies slightly accross cultures.


Traditional constructs which once helped usher in civilization, sustains and advances it by checking men and women in different ways. Since men and women no longer need each other in any truly meaningful capacity, these constructs have become hollow and defunct. So in this, the "Real Man" ideal these men would have us "step up" to would be more aptly referred to as "Artificial Man", Traditional man, pre-modern man and pre-feminist man all work as well, but I find "Artificial Man" to be much more apt.


I am a man without constructs other than the personalized constructs I decidedly create and build for myself; therefore, in that sense I am truly a real man. A free man. A man who can determine who he is, himself, ever furthering the distance between myself and the burning, sinking ship of traditionalism.


The man who speaks of these men who are "Just not happy" and feel shame, and are not proud for 'having mastered Modern Warfare 3', I know these men well. They have internalized what women and western society feels about them. They've been lied to and ensured that something 'greater' exists, which is presently outside of their reach. They've been fed the false-truths that they should be married, and meet certain criteria, or else they wouldn't ever be complete or happy. What they don't realize is that is the true reason they aren't happy are not the reasons they offer up. They aren't happy as they've been told they aren't, or shouldn't be, So some get married, embarking on some mythical journey of becoming an “adult”. They endeavored to become the definition of a man which was more like the one defined for them rather than the one they'd have defined for themselves.


Speaking for myself, one can 'mock' and 'attack' me all they wish, and it will not 'shame' me. I enjoy whatever I wish and this isn't any of Driscoll's, societies, or womens business. It will not 'send me further' anywhere other than where I wish to be. It might however, fuel my fire to destroy your false-order. I no longer hold myself back or limit myself due to imposed and suffocating stigmas, and I needn't do anything for you as it's not me you care about but desperately using me as a tool to keep your world order from crumbling (which it is, and it shall). I do not care what inconsequential people want or think; like you, like women. I can breath. I am free.


These men in this video, like myself once, wish they could do what we can. That is, not only enjoy whatever we wish, even things society would mock, and not have an ounce of shame about it. The truth is, deep down, you men want to be us.


Every bit as much as what motivates women to attack men for doing things they do not want us to, things which do not fit what is beneficial for them -- part of what motivates males to attack those same men is jealously and fear. They are jealous that we are free to do anything we wish with pride and without shame, and they are fearful as it threatens their fragile and limited worldview. It forces them to see that perhaps they aren't so happy following the dictates of women and western society. So keep repeating to yourselves, Mark Driscoll and Co, "We are happy, fulfilled and proud."


Personally, I need only say it once, Sirs.




On to 'the bar' dilemma.


This concerned wife and mother: what is her real motivation here?


In this fictional --but all too true to life-- scenario, she doesn't seem concerned for her sons welfare but simply concerned about her son losing his job. She threatens to move out if he loses his job again. It seems to be that she is concerned with the loss of her sons income. The fact that this is portrayed in this fictional scenario without much thought shows that the creators of that scene were well accustomed to this scenario in their own, real lives, and find this attitude as well as her behavior perfectly acceptable. Why doesn't she go get a job. Further, why doesn't she go try to 'fetch' her son. She sends her older mule to fetch her younger mule.


In the scene upon arriving at the bar, his son exhibits terrifying, untamed masculinity. He is 'free' and doing as he wishes and this is portrayed as negative. He is not under the control of the mother by proxy of the father. The father falls under the evil influence of his son and regains the ability to live life as he once did before finding the wise guidance of women and goes back to his old self prior to having his balls cut off. Two adult men acting freely, the father free from his wife (who is essentially his mother), and adult son free from his mother, this is for some reason portrayed as an ominous thing.


"Just don't tell your mother" says the father, which may as well be "Just don't tell OUR mother."


This ends with a man telling us that we are now left with "confusion, complexity and uncertainty", that's called life, bud. It's life when you're not deluded with a false sense of security, and yes, I suppose it is not for everyone.


What we are seeing there, with the artificial constructs and ideas falling away is reality. Things are indeed confusing, complex, and uncertain; they always have been and will be for millenia to come. That causes fear in many people. That's why religion evolved in the first place, and that's what lead to philosophy and then modern science. You have a traditional belief system that artificially gives you a sense of certainty about how things are, and are supposed to be. There's another route though, and that is self-determinism, yet that doesn't offer the fluffy warm blanket of delusion that these gentlemen wrap themselves up in.


The truth will set you free, but no one said being set free is easy. Before you can enjoy the freedom you must come to terms with the cold stinging pain of reality. Yes, I can see why that would turn you away from it. You are frightened. We, Sirs, are not. Not anymore.



  1. I truly appreciate that.

  2. face it fellows these women need us more then we need them. all we really need is a puppy a microwave and a prostitute

  3. if they're not even capable of calling women out on their mistakes, then there's no reason for anyone to take them seriously.

  4. The issue with Mark Driscoll is his complete distortion of Biblical Principles. For starters the Apostle Paul says its preferable that a Man stays single, but if he must chase after women better to get married.

    Mainstream Christianity is in trouble because men and boys are leaving in there droves due to the feminisation of the Church.

    Nice try Mark Driscoll but you have clearly missed the 'mark'.

  5. love it love it love it ... copied into a Word document to read again and again.
    my eyes aren't fully open yet but the dawn is breaking.

  6. I am stepping down.

    I am just a little boy, I didn't do it,
    I won't do it, and I never will.

    People make it so it can't be done,
    so I just said poop on it, I'm gonna
    just stay in my playroom and play with
    my toys, or go in my garden and play
    in the rain or in my sandpit.

    No marriage for me, too hard, can't do it,
    I quit.

    I can be found in my garden, catching
    bugs and toads and squiggly worms,
    I'm too busy to be catching girl germs.

    I want to run, and play and slosh in the
    puddles, I don't want to be a dad, so
    I won't even date anyone.

    No girlfriends, no dates, none of that
    yuckie stuff, just gimme my toys and
    my apple juice and my nap at 3.

    No being growed up for me.

  7. Perhaps they should be telling women to "step up" women are responsible for filing the most divorces and the ones that didn't it is usually because they are so toxic men can't stand to be around them. Women lead in the alimony recipient field as well as welfare recipients.

  8. Maybe try embracing reality and exercising some introspection and personal responsibility instead of blaming every woman for not measuring up to your mother, barbar.

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  10. Agreed
    Except i think there is a god. Not the godvof churchianity tho. More like the libertarian style god of near death experinces. Life has meaning but its not sbout pleasing thr mob or women .